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Would you appreciate the author’s honesty if he said that he didn’t know what 2 + 2 was?

No one cares about their mascot that much, of course. Say hi to Fred and George!

Eight years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15302279

I mean... Its even in the FAQ. It's a question people care to ask.


> Eight years ago

Kind of proves my point. Someone asked a question 8 years ago, that doesn't look like something that has any effect on adoption really.


The complaint, today, is it doesn't have much adoption.

So the question always being around kinda does suggest there's difficulty.

Unless it's somehow become widely used?


> You don't update your PC? Your phone?

You make it sound like it's almost a crime not to.


It's not a crime, but it's a foolish thing to do if you care about your data. Find vendors that aren't user hostile and still deliver security updates. For me that's various flavors of Linux (Debian, Fedora, arch, depending on my mood) and GrapheneOS on mobile.

Please provide a specific example of a tv that does that, or stop spreading misinformation.

I was just extrapolating. Why wouldn't a "smart" device connect to any wifi it has credentials for, and why wouldn't the implementation consider "has credentials" to include "it doesn't need any"?

But now I wonder why your aggressivity sounds so defensive.


Why wouldn't a "smart" device connect to any wifi it has credentials for, and why wouldn't the implementation consider "has credentials" to include "it doesn't need any"?

Practically because lots of "open" wifi networks have captive portals that don't actually get you Internet access without further action, and legally because using random networks without user confirmation is rather dodgy.

But now I wonder why your aggressivity sounds so defensive.

It's an urban legend that people keep repeating, and nobody can ever point to a specific case of it happening. It would be extremely easy to demonstrate: set up an open network, take a new or factory-reset TV, and wait.


Don't be so upset. Next time think twice before posting and check your sources. Don't spread misinformation and urban legends.

It’s not a robbery if noone is getting robbed. That’s a very bad analogy really.


You are using a service without paying for the service by actively circumventing the payment mechanism. Is that not stealing?


Is it okay if I go the bathroom or get another beer while the commercials play? If so, why?


Thats like saying the grocery store is ok with me eating some of the grapes while I shop so they must be ok with me walking out without paying for my groceries.

I’m not trying to be obtuse here. I really want to understand some sort of reasonable moral justification for actively avoiding paying for a service that you are using / circumventing the mechanism by which the business makes money.


> circumventing the mechanism by which the business makes money

This is generally of no interest to consumers.


It’s not counterculture. It’s understanding of what’s important. Functionality, discoverability and extendability over opinionated UI/UX that nobody asked for.


Well people will vote with their mouse clicks, and they have, < 1% of devs use Emacs vs VS Code which is probably 20-30x.


I mean, okay? That’s their choice. Not everything is a competition.


> Emacs still looks the same as it did decades ago

That’s a good thing. I don’t want to change my habits every time a designer of whatever product I use decides that he deserves a raise and breaks my workflow in some subtle way.


It was a trade off at the time. Selective acknowledgments require more resources.


It seems that I’ve been stuck in a lucid dream for a couple of decades, no matter how carefully write text on a phone keyboard it never comes out as intended.


Tank ypu foe wriiting this


Doing a thing that you already know is definitely easier than learning a new thing that’s for sure.


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