There’s kidnapping, imprisonment, torture and rape of political dissidents.
They created an exodus of 8 million people.
Starved the population.
Killed people in the thousands in the favelas and other poor areas without a trial.
Steals elections.
To me that’s a regime at war with its own population and it deserves all the condemnation possible and all the support necessary to help transition back to democracy.
What he is being accused of is a tiny fraction of what has been proven to have taken place in Gaza, under the protection of the west.
Yet the aircraft carriers are poised in the gulf to enact a third regime change operation in this oil rich country America wants under its thumb with a puppet running it.
This is the PR campaign beforehand, just like the "WMD" PR campaign in the run up to Iraq, with a woman who supports genocide in Gaza (https://x.com/VenteVenezuela/status/1286346531591852036 ) being lauded with a nobel peace prize. This is probably to lend her legitimacy when she becomes that puppet.
Saddam was a bad man too but he was an average evil. The warmongers who want to destabilize every country with oil, send in the tanks and install yet another Western puppet to maintain an iron grip on global oil supplies are a very special and unique kind of evil.
I’m not going to engage in a competition of tragedies. You are replying to a venezuelan with relatives and friends that have suffered and still suffer the consequences of the regime.
Just stop and think for a moment before even think about downplaying or comparing what is happening in my country with other world conflicts, and please don’t even dare to explain what I’ve been living.
We've heard it all before, we speak english so you're not a true venezuelan, you're part of some rich caste, you're not brown enough, you're a bot, etc ... 25 years of this bullshit no matter where we go. The international left abandoned us, the international right uses us as circus act.
Of course it'd be easier for your narrative if we were defenseless people begging in our native tongue for help. It's harder when a lot of Venezuelans are actually highly educated and want to control their own country and destiny.
>> IME the venezuelans who ended up abroad speaking English almost exclusively and up being people whose families were sucking on the teat of the oil wealth under the pre Maduro government before he ripped it out of their mouths and redistributed the wealth
you mean the almost 10 million of us that left, 1/3 of the population? the 2.5 million that went to Colombia alone by foot? or the ones that that walked all the way to Peru and Ecuador to meet discrimination and xenophobia. Those are all sucking on the oil teat? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_refugee_crisis)
>> So i guess you want this Iraq style military operation to happen. I pity your relatives for what you want to happen to them.
No one wants that, and no one said they want that. Stop making stuff up
Gotta love when foreigners explain to me what my country is going through. And they don’t even stop to think about what they are doing, it’s borderline insulting.
Dude, now you're just being racist. So the only true Venezuelan for you is the one that can't actually stand on it's own and speak to the world? I'm privileged because I speak English?
You have no idea who I am, you're making assumptions based solely on the language I use to speak to you.
And once again, no one is talking about war, you're the only one going on about it. No one wants a war and we want Maduro out, not mutually exclusive by a long shot.
And what's Iraq got to do with this? Stop making everything about the US
All countries that have a regime have many factions: supporters, opposition, those who are well-intentioned and those who would just like their side to get into power again and suppress those others. Your lived experience as a Venezuelan is not imbued with some infallible essence that just wants peace and justice and good things; all people, also those who are telling the honest truth, have their own limited perspective and motivations and cannot speak for The Country alone.
We certainly accept this when the topic is some country that we know better here. We don’t accept the proclamation of an-ordinary-American as the infallible voice of the people. Why should we treat other countries differently?
So given the above, the other poster is within their right to compare tragedies and speculate about whether the price was deserved—it’s a competition—, and you can’t trump that by saying “but my lived experience”.
The Palestinian diaspora is also around 8 million. Chavez and Maduro made the Venezuelans poorer than the Palestinians. I think Israel (and Stern/Irgun before that) has killed more than Chavez/Maduro in all its "defensive" wars of conquest. The Israeli Supreme Court seems to be surprisingly reliable and fair, even to Palestinians. Venezuela's courts are entirely under regime control.
They created an exodus of 8 million people.
Starved the population.
Killed people in the thousands in the favelas and other poor areas without a trial.
Steals elections.
To me that’s a regime at war with its own population and it deserves all the condemnation possible and all the support necessary to help transition back to democracy.