They should read HN.

Don’t they know you can get Hetzner servers starting from $5/month?

Lmao but in all honesty, there are a lot of european cloud providers that I know and they are even cheaper than american counterparts like aws, azure, gcp. Personally I like european cloud too but I dont have so much as an preference and it depends but the current environment of america does seem a little hostile but not the fault of datacenters in america but I hope that hostility slows down

There are a lot of European “cloud” providers, but there’s not one that offers anything even close to AWS/GCP/Cloudflare. If you need more than compute and S3, you’re pretty much SOL.

If you need much more than compute, managed k8s and blob storage, then you're architecting yourself for a vendor lock-in.

Absolutely not. There's a gazillion cloud providers out there with hosted postgres+kafka+redis and the other big open source softwares. Hetzner is just not one of them.

Please list them, especially the ones with managed services..

Hetzner, OVH and Upcloud. All of them have object storage, managed Redis,Postgres and K8S.

Most of the time the missing things are homegrown SaaS offerings of big 3 and identity services. You will not find equivalent IAM or BigQuery in indie clouds.

Hetzner has k8s? I only see VMs and block storage.

Scaleway as well

Please list them, especially the ones with managed services.

Welcome to the real world. I’m not saying this is a good thing, but this is what’s happened. That’s why everyone is doing AWS. To pretend this is a non-issue and can easily be fixed by investing a bit in development does not reflect reality.

At my last workplace we literally fixed this by investing a bit in development.

You worked at an industry giant like Airbus? Cool.

OVH? Upcloud? Scaleway?

(searching more I found Koyeb, bunny cdn offers deno similar to cloudflare workers)

None of these remotely come close to their US counterparts. Not by a long shot.

Because they don’t offer every service AWS offers? They offer plenty of hosted databases, queues and what not that it shouldn’t be too hard to move things over. Especially not if you are on Kubernetes. Not if you are all in on lambdas of course but that is a problem in and of itself.

I had created this comment on your other comment on one of my other comments that there are no cloud providers and so I am wishing to talk about both of these at the same comment perhaps

I do not know about the others but OVH (even with all of its flaws) is definitely a cloud provider

I got so damn overwhelmed looking at all the services offered by OVH once and I found some niche services which would most likely be underrated by many but if one wants at scale cheap cold storage, I recommend OVH's cold storage because they cost only 2$ per month/TB storage long term but have only 12$/TB ingress/egress compared to the egregious 100$/TB (or so I have heard) AWS's outage and where you have to play this little dance of shutting down AWS itself or something to not pay it but I genuinely think that OVH has a lot of features

I am not kidding but when I say overwhelmed, I truly meant it so much that I had to take a walk outside to put things into mind, I was looking for partnership opportunities for OVH tho that time but in my mind I have rejected them because they are too big to partner at a small scale In my opinion

OVH has the 2nd most meaningful high content or similar metric (I forgot the website which shared it) after AWS, it had more high traffic websites overall even more so than gcp

Personally I do not like this complexity. Just give me compute and storage and let me handle the rest but I don't really like OVH thaat much (my opinions change overtime too) but please look more into it if you genuinely want european cloud provider, I am interested to know about it, What are the metrics which qualify for the "long shot", I am genuinely curious and wishing to discuss honestly.

But would you need those functions to run your ERP and CRM systems (see the article)?

Yes. At an airbus scale, most definitely.

But to give you another example (from the article): Try migrating Google Workspace to an EU solution. Actually impossible. I tried it myself, and gave up. The closest you’ll get is Proton, which isn’t EU to begin with and doesn’t even have half of the features Google Workspace offers.

Well proton isn't Eu but its switzerland and I think that proton is going to move some of their servers to germany after switzerland had this questionable decision which feared privacy services (including proton)

Proton recently got proton sheets/proton docs

Personally one of the largest issues I have with proton is the lack of extensibility. Like google has app scripts and similar api's but proton's lack of api's have frustrated me so much that I have built an api over scraping/using a puppeteer instance over it but its still in very finnicky state

Well, I am not sure about the newer BTP-based stuff, but the main ABAP-based core of an SAP S/4HANA system certainly does not need those capabilities, as it is still basically the same running in on premise systems. The priority of a couple of BTP apps might be quite low, if they are not starting from scratch.

Sadly there are still no European cloud providers. There are European hosting and VPS companies with aspirations but that's not the same.

Scaleway and OVH offer all the basics and more (kubernetes, networking, hosted dbs, queues, storage, GPUs etc). It’s google workspace/microsoft 365 that has no equivalent.

This sounds funny now. But Hetzner has been moving into a cloud direction consistently. They recently rolled out VPCs, load balancers and all that. They are slowly building the blocks to provide what we generally call a cloud.