> In the US

American car marques are nearly completely irrelevant outside the US.

Ive seen plenty of fords in Europe but they have evs

Ford of Europe has succeeded because its direction and leadership are completely different to its American outfit, and has released models targeting European sensibilities. You will probably not find Mondeos or Focuses in the North American market. Nor will you (easily) find an F-150 in Europe. A Ranger, perhaps, but not the F-150.

You could definitely buy the Focus in the US.

Same name, mostly same internal components, different chassis (mostly bigger) afaik. Same for Fiesta's except for some models (e.g. ST). I know for the Fiesta since the electronics are the same but the dash components are made for a bigger chassis (to make it fit you have to dremel quite a bit).

Huh, interesting. Looks like they were indeed quite different until the Mk3 in 2012

The Focus is about the only European-designed Ford which really made it to the US in significant numbers (albeit somewhat late) at all, AIUI.

Even the Fiesta was sold in the US and Canada off and on.

You've shown your words to be meaningless. You said the U.S. car brands were "completely irrelevant" outside the U.S., here you admit that's wrong. You move the goalpost and change your assertion to something entirely different. But there is no reason to think this statement has any factual basis either. You're just talking out of your &ss.

They said “nearly”. Ford is the only American brand selling numbers in Europe, maybe nect to Tesla.

GM sells a whole bunch of stuff they just don't put a bowtie on the grill in Europe or Asia because they have other brands they use there.

The only things GM sells in Europe nowadays is the Corvette and the Cadillacs Lyriq, Optiq and Vistiq. Opel and Vauxhall were sold of almost ten years ago.

Ford of Europe is arguably a European car brand which happens to be owned by a US company (in much the same way as Chrysler/Jeep etc are clearly American car brands, despite being owned by a European company).

Here in the Netherlands ford sales seem to have completely consumed by Kia sales. Around me houses that typically had Fords now have Kia’s, Toyota, Tesla or small Volvo like EX30/40.

After the huge hits of the focus and to some extend Mondeo, the Kuga has sold subpar. There were only a few new ones around here. Now you see some new EV Ford Explorer SUV and just a tiny account of the big old Explorer. (Yes, the traditional Explorer suv counts as big here.)

In the mean time there is an explosion of BYD, Volvo, Skoda Enyaq, etc happening. Mostly driven by which model has the most beneficial tax package for lease.

> the Kuga has sold subpar.

I own a Plugin one, I completely understand why. It's "meh", plus all the recalls because Ford cheaped out on the battery production and Samsung (the battery cells) can't do inventory management. For the US audience: it's the Escape (they are identical in all but numbering).

Right, but Ford Europe is, and always had been, a different beast to Ford America.

Fords in Europe are made a little to the north-east of London, or near Cologne.

They have (almost) nothing to do with North American Ford vehicles.

Why talk about “western” then, not about “US”? Because clickbait?

And this is what it looks like for me: https://i.k8r.eu/CzluFg.png

I noticed that it happens a lot "western media" etc, it's usually used at touchy topics

Also europe.