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Quote from the article: "However, men tended to assert their opinions as “facts,” whereas women tended to phrase their informative messages as suggestions, offers, and other non-assertive acts."

Seriously? This is just drivel.

I'm sorry her edits were undone, but that's hardly a gender issue.

Just try arguing with a feminist, then you won't see "informative messages phrased as suggestions, offers, and other non-assertive acts". In fact, that phrase disproves itself.



But it's not drivel. Men and women communicate differently, that's supported by many, many studies. She didn't accuse either sex of communicating incorrectly, which is the line you hear from SJWs.

I think she made a good point. Many people have commented that they thought his tone was fine. Others have said his tone sounded patronizing. I don't think anyone is wrong. We can't write off the people who don't share our communication style, which is what you're doing when you call it 'drivel'.


Can you point me to some of those studies, please?

It sounds extremely sexist to me to make such a claim. My experience with men has been different as well. Also my experience with women (they are not all timid about their opinions).

In any case, I don't see the relevance of the theory to the Wikipedia incident. So why does she quote it? Because the Wikipedia editor happens to be male, and the quote is supposed to discredit all male opinions.

She wrote a whole blog article about it - is that an example of "an informative messages phrased as a suggestion, offer, or other non-assertive acts"? I don't think so - she disproves the theory, yet you defend it.

If you are a woman, you also disprove the theory, because you claim a fact: "But it's not drivel. Men and women communicate differently, that's supported by many, many studies." That's not a suggestion, offer, or non-assertive comment you made.


You could follow the link supplied by the author, and references therein....


That only cites studies of the author herself, who analyzed a whopping two mailing lists to arrive at her sweeping and completely unbiased conclusions.


This all goes on the baseless assumption that the original author is a male. If you look through the user's archived talk pages, there are many indications that the user is actually female.


The gender of the original author is irrelevant.

There's no evidence that women are less sexist than men. In fact, all the evidences is that women and men discriminate equally against women:

http://ideas.time.com/2012/10/04/womens-inhumanity-to-women/

Of course, this does show the flaw of trying to judge the gender of a person by how they present themselves online; while on average men and women may show small differences in communication, there are of course many women that communicate in a "men's" manner and v.v.


Well the article claims that the original author behaves like a typical man.

I love this: so we can fire sexist stereotypes at will, because if we see examples of men or women not fitting the stereotype, it is just a man acting like a woman or a woman acting like a man, so it doesn't count? Or in fact a woman acting like a jerk would be "acting like a man" and therefore reinforce the stereotype of men being jerks?


Not explicitly, but the difference in "assert their opinions as 'facts'" and "phrase their informative messages as suggestions, offers, and other non-assertive acts." is certainly, in my eyes at least, offering a judgement on which is better.


I deal with these kinds of people (described as 'male' in the article) on a daily basis, it's staggering how little self-consciousness they have.

You basically did exactly what was described, as you were opposing it.


Right - basically you musn't disagree with a woman, otherwise it is sexism and bullying.

What is your job anyway - how come you deal with so many obnoxious men? Do you also deal with the same amount of women, and they are less obnoxious? Or are there perhaps many more men, and you tend to remember the obnoxious ones.

I have the impression you don't have much self-consciousness either. How does that align with your theory about the world?


Case. In. Point.

It's not really about gender, but rather a confrontational style of communication that can sometimes be not very productive.

I have a tendency towards this style of communication myself, but I've worked towards communicating in a more effective way and it's improved my life (and the lives of the people I interact with).

If you don't believe it, just see how my comment history has changed over the years... haha.




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